The more I learn about Patrick Stewart the more I wish he was my best friend. He’d be a total blast to hang out with. I could see him as a fanboy
Reblog this if you’ve ever read a piece of fanfiction and adopted it as canon or wished it could be universally accepted as canon; it’s that good.
I always felt that Ethan couldn’t have hated Giles so much if he didn’t truly love him at some point in his life.
"And yes, I have always felt that there was something between [Giles and Ethan] when they were younger. It is one of those places where slash and canon merge […]." - Jane Espenson
I knew it!
I have actually thought about this so much that I think I kind of know how it went, at least my own version of this particular ship. It makes for some interesting stories.
I’m just going to leave this here
The Nobel Peace Prize 1964.
this right here is the exact point Im trying to make
Would it have been too much to ask for Buffy to last one more season, ATS to end, and then put some of the surviving Angel characters into Buffy season 8?
For this to happen wouldn’t there have to be surviving characters? ROFL
I hated that Giles was so quick to turn his back on Faith as if he’d never experienced anything like what she was going through. It could have been a good opportunity to explore Ripper a bit more and make parallels between them. Even in Season 7 they never made those links and it bothered me.
Yeah. Siding with the Mayor, killing people and trying to end the world is such a parallel to playing with magic and being reckless in his youth.
But Giles did kill. He killed Ben and proved he was capable of killing if he felt the situation called for it. It was also his idea to summon Eyghon in the first place and therefor he was indirectly responsible for Richard, Deirdre, and Tom (I think that’s his name)’s deaths. Absolutely he knows what it’s like to kill and self destruct and carry others along for the ride so respectfully, I have to disagree Downtoolong
Giles killed Ben when he was 50 years old, not when he was a teenager and did to keep Glory from returning. He was not indirectly responsible for the other kids any more than they committed suicide by choosing to mess with things they didn’t understand.
Actively choosing to murder innocents and attempting to end the world for your own gain is in no way, shape or form a parallel for that.
Ben was innocent. I know they never directly deal with that in the show after it happens but there is a scene where Giles tells Buffy and admits he knows he murdered someone innocent. Yes, it was for the greater good but still, it says he is comfortable with killing if it needs to be done. That coupled with his youth I think it’s reasonable to believe that his youth got to be a bit darker than was ever brought to light.
I also believe that Faith was manipulated by the Mayor and saw no way out for herself once that first kill happened. If you remember, she was horrified by it and only pretended to be ok. She was afraid, lonely, and with her childhood she was very dysfunctional to begin with. She watched her first Watcher be killed right in front of her, for Pete’s sake! The Mayor played on something she wanted, understanding and affection, and used that to his own ends to be able to have a Slayer at his command.
This is the same girl that begged Angel to kill her because she couldn’t deal with the guilt for her crimes. As you said about Eyghon, she never directly tried to end the world, she only went along with the Mayor’s plan for it.
Ben was incidental and to a degree innocent, even though he was perfectly aware of what was going on, but that wasn’t the point. Giles was an older man then and the situations were not similar. The vulcanologist did not have a god that popped out of him now and again to reek havoc.
What you think may have happened in Giles’ youth is irrelevant. We only have what the show said and as far as I know, until S2 years after the fact, no one died and all those people went in of their own volition.
Yes, the mayor DID play Faith to get her on his side. So? She still made the choice to turn her back and do what she did. And yes she did try to end the world. She knew exactly what the Mayor was up to and went along with it. Being screwed up only goes so far. Warren was screwed up. No doubt Tucker’s brother was too and the lunch lady and so on and so forth. Yeah, she begged Angel to kill her…after every other course was exhausted to her. But as I’ve comment on other posts, I think that was just bad writing, but that’s what we’ve got.
And yet, still none of it parallels to what we know of Giles’ youth.
you’re pretty closed minded. I’m ending the conversation now